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Question Exclamation Question He is not sure whether what came out of him whilst he was fasting was madhiy (prostatic fluid) or maniy (semen) .

study Pre-ejaculate (also known as pre-ejaculatory fluid, preseminal fluid, or Cowper's fluid, and colloquially as pre-cum) is the clear, colorless, viscous fluid that is emitted from the urethra of the penis during sexual arousal.
Idea It is similar in composition to semen but has some significant chemical differences. The presence of sperm in the fluid is variable. Research has found no or low levels of sperm in pre-ejaculate, though these existing studies are non-generalizable due to examining small numbers of men. A contrary, yet non-generalizable study that found mixed evidence, including individual cases of a high sperm concentration, was published in March 2011. Pre-ejaculate is beieved to function as a lubricant and an acid neutralizer. The amount of pre-ejaculate emitted varies widely between individuals, and may depend on circumcision status; some men emit none.


study The difference between maniy and madhiy is that the maniy that comes from a man is thick and white, and that which comes from a woman [fluid emitted at the moment of climax] is thin and yellow. Madhiy is thin and white and sticky and comes out during foreplay, or when thinking about intercourse, or wanting it, or when looking, etc. It is experienced by both men and women.

scratch I meet girls and speak to them without desire, but I feel something coming out of my private part, and I do not know whether it is maniy (semen) or madhiy (prostatic fluid). Is my fast invalidated?

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/418.

" It seems most likely that which is coming out of you is madhiy and not maniy, because maniy comes out gushing and a man can feel it.

Causing the emission of maniy is one of the things that invalidates the fast, if that happens as a result of intercourse or touching, or repeatedly looking at women, then the fast is invalidated. With regard to madhiy, the scholars differed as to whether it invalidates the fast if a person causes it to be emitted.

The view of the Hanbalis is that it does invalidate the fast if it is caused direct physical contact, such as by touching, kissing, etc. But if the cause is repeatedly looking, then it does not invalidate the fast.

Abu Haneefah and al-Shaafa’i are of the view that emission of madhiy does not invalidate the fast in any case, whether it is caused by direct physical contact or otherwise, and that what invalidates the fast is emission of maniy not madhiy.
See al-Mughni. 4/363

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (6/236), after quoting the view of the Hanbalis on this issue: There is no sound evidence to support that, because madhiy is of a lesser status than maniy with regard to desire, and does not cause a person to be tired after emitting it, so it cannot be likened to it.

Idea Like a Star @ heaven The correct view is that if a person has direct physical contact and emits madhiy, or masturbates and emits madhiy, this does not invalidate the fast, and his fast is still valid. This is the view favoured by Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him). The proof for this is the fact that there is no proof to support the view that emission of madhiy invalidates the fast, because this fast is an act of worship that the person started as prescribed in sharee’ah and it cannot be regarded as having been invalidated unless there is evidence to that effect.

study What is meant by “[he] masturbates and emits madhiy” is that he tried to ejaculate by means of masturbation but he did not, rather what came out was madhiy.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (15/267) was asked: if a man kisses [his wife] when he is fasting, or watches some indecent movies and some madhiy comes out of him, should he make up that fast?

He replied:

Emission of madhiy does not invalidate the fast according to the more correct of the two scholarly opinions, whether that is because of kissing one's wife, watching movies, or other things that provoke desire. But it is not permissible for a Muslim to watch these indecent movies or to listen to music and songs that Allaah has forbidden. If maniy (semen) is emitted as the result of desire, then this invalidates the fast whether that happened as the result of touching, kissing, repeatedly looking or any other thing that provokes desire, such as masturbation etc. But wet dreams and thinking do not invalidate the fast, even if maniy is emitted as a result.

The Standing Committee (10/273) was asked: One day in Ramadaan I was sitting beside my wife for about half an hour and we were fasting. We were joking and after I moved away from her I noticed a wet spot on my pants that had come from my private part. And that happened a second time. I hope you can advise me whether I have to offer any expiation.

They replied:

If the situation is as you described, then you do not have to make up that day or offer any expiation, on the assumption that your fast remained valid, unless it is proven that that wetness is maniy (semen), in which case you have to do ghusl and make up that day, but you do not have to offer expiation.

The point is that you do not have to do anything and your fast is valid, unless you are certain that what came out of you is maniy. If it is maniy than you have to make up that day but you do not have to offer any expiation.

You should avoid speaking to women unnecessarily, and if you need to speak to them then you should lower your gaze, in obedience to the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, Allaah is All‑Aware of what they do
]al-Noor 24:30]

study Muslim (2159) narrated that Jareer ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about an accidental glance and he told me to look away.

study Al-Nawawi said:

What is meant by an accidental or sudden glance is when one’s gaze falls upon a non-mahram woman unintentionally. There is no sin on a person in the beginning, but he has to look away immediately. If he looks away immediately then there is no sin on him, but if he continues to look, then he commits a sin, because of this hadeeth. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined looking away, as well as the verse, “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze”.

If it is possible for a woman to take care of selling to women and speaking to them, that is better and safer.

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scratch How can the fasting person be sure whether maniy definitely came out of him and was not just madhiy?
Question For example, if he was wearing white underwear, and his desire was provoked (but he did not ejaculate), and he saw a spot that was not clear or white on his underwear –
Question what is the ruling on his fasting in that case?


Praise be to Allah

Firstly:

If that happened whilst he was sleeping, then his fast is valid, whether it was maniy or madhiy, because emission of maniy whilst sleeping does not invalidate the fast
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Secondly:

But if that happened during the day, then it is possible to differentiate between maniy and madhiy by knowing the characteristics of each of them. Maniy is emitted forcefully and gushes, and is thick, and has a smell like dough. As for madhiy, it is sticky and thin, and has no smell.

If there is uncertainty as to whether it is maniy or madhiy, then it is to be deemed madhiy and the fastest to be deemed valid.

study The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked about someone who emitted something after playing with his wife whilst he was fasting. They said:
If the situation is as described, then you do not have to make up the fast or offer expiation, because matters are assumed to remain as they originally were, unless it is proven that that wetness was maniy, in which case you must do ghusl and make up that day’s fast, but no expiation is required.

End quote from Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah – vol. 1 (10/273)

And Allah knows best.

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